Spiral Flow Side Pipes

[scott h]

this post started as a simple question about side pipe fitment, now it is a passive agressive attack from both sides.
David has a right to expect a better product than he got. Unique places the blame on their suppliers, how can that be dave's problem? It looks like whoever welded the tabs messed up. I have no welding skills to speak of and could not reweld those tabs. Z bending is out of the question, how could you do that with the tabs on the pipes, welding torch and a hammer? Glenview posted about his shocks/springs needing to be reworked by unique (not exact quote) but unique fixed the problem, why can't Dave expect the same? I say hold uniques feet to the fire. This is not a minor discrepancy and the lack of fit has nothing to do with any safety changes over the years etc, etc. it is clearly poor workmanship on the part of the supplier. So please stop sniping at each other and get back to enjoying this site which is supposed to be a community

[Glenview289]

scott h - get your facts straight. I only posted a way I thought David could solve his problem and nothing else. I have no clue where you can see where shocks were mentioned. I think the forum moderator should close this thread as it has degraded to the point where nothing new or informational has been said for two pages. If the principles want to carry on, do so with PMs.

Bill

[brfutbrian]

I think the forum moderator should close this thread

Bill

bill i apologized to patrick three days ago for this thread and asked him not to close it unless he felt it was nessessary. hopefully he`ll give dave a chance to respond before he does if he feels it should. later, brian

[scott h]

sorry, i was refering to Jim's post not Glenview's. here is a perfect example. I mistakenly attributed a comment to the wrong person and am told to "get my facts straight" ,anyone following this thread could see that the statement i referred to was next to Glenview's post, oops, honest mistake.. people can get the wrong impression reading text only without knowing the tone or intent of the comments. So lets all play nice

[davids2toys]

Just getting on here, but unfortunately to late to respond to much of anything. I will not be able to get near this until friday evening at best.
I got this in my email as a post to this thread, but I cannot find it. maybe I am just to tired.
this is what I got:
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Here is the message that has just been posted:
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dave, thank you for the apology, i sincerly appreciate it. now i hope you can accept mine as i know you were offended by "get a grip". if i hadnt felt offended by the comments at the end referring to the members of this forum who may not agree with you as "weaver lovers", and "need to stay on the good side if the weavers", (which i still think an apology to the members of this forum is in order) it would have been something less agressive. the rest of that post i have no problem with at all. not even the font change. as far as the night we met up at marks cruise nite, it wasnt a car show, its a cruise nite. i live 5 mins away and i got there shortly before dark, and yes the car was not homecoming clean. it really doesnt matter, its pretty informal and even though there are trophies given out, the reality is if youre not in the clique there, you not taking a trophy. if i was on your turf you would have known that and i wouldnt have. if you thought my car was average y
ou stopped looking beyond the dust and the carpets. i have a car show trophy too. and a couple more that i didnt stay to accept. i have no want for trophies. but you have your opinion and ive got no problem with that. and youre right it was more than 5 mins,settle on 20 between looking at each others cars? and the lights worked fine after i replaced the blown fuse and you learned that the fuse was in the light switch. as fars as whos standards are higher, theres all kinds of standards. lets talk about fabricating and execution cause that really the only one that applies here. i know where mine are, but surely dont know where yours fall, the range could be from NASA to bubble gum and string. my guess would be that we`re on the same page if you use rick bagley as a guage. ive known rick for years (and im sure he`ll deny it) and know him and his car well. while my skills may not quite as good by much, (youre welcome rick) im by no means a slouch. on the subject of your shocks, you actually did bring it up in the post i took offense to, although you didnt refer to it specifically. im sorry if you feel offended that i inquired through my sources, but it was put out there by you. if you want it out there, the choice is yours and im not challenging you or make it a dare. when you saying youre not trying to offend someone (passive) and 20 words later you say "dont think so etc etc" (agressive). the tip your waitress thing was was purely commical (sp?)translation: this is a turning into a joke. i can understand your frustrated and im sure you`d much rather be done with this and get back to solving your troubles with your pipes. how about i offer a solution, you apologize to anyone who was offended when you included them as a group in your post. as rick and i have both stated the fix is does not look very difficult and i would be more than welcome fix it with you if you would like. if thats not something you want to do thats fine, i wont be offended later, brian"
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I dont see this post???

Even though, I don't have time tonight to post much because I need to be up at 4:30am for work. Then tomorrow(Thursday) I need to get to sleep immediately when I get home and be back at work at midnight.
As I said, I don't see this post. I went on to answer it and all I see is more of the same from Brian.
I am pretty done with this pick apart words stuff, etc. I will as Brian demands, apologized to any of the forum members that I have insulted. I totally did not mean to insult anybody at all with the "weaver lovers" comment. Up until now, I did not understand or know specifically what he wanted me to apologize for. Now I do, so I will. I sincerly apologize!
Someone is now asking Patrick to close the thread. I hope he doesn't, but if he does, he is the moderator, so that will be that. I think good things actually may happen in this thread
I will explain my Weaver Lovers comment. I have been reading on this forum how great the Weavers are for years now. It is usually the same guys who make it seem the Weavers walk on water and can do no wrong, stand behind their products, so helpful to their customers, and so on and so on. I have not experienced this with the Weavers. To me, the Weavers seem burned out and don't enjoy their business anymore. that is just the impression I get, could be totally off base here. There are others who feel exactly as I do. I also said that I wish I did feel like the members I grouped into "Weaver Lovers". I truly meant that! So after Alan ignored me for months then decided to post a total untruth on a public forum to cover Unique's butt, instead of standing behind his product. I will be honest, that really set me off. Then I did ASSUME I was going to get flamed by that same group of people that make excuses and back the Weavers no matter what. No way did I mean anybody who disagreed with me was a "weaver Lover", I am really sorry if that is what it seemed I was saying.
Truthfully, I am kind of shocked and pleasantly surprised that I was only flamed by Brian.
Even though I can't get into all the stuff in these posts at this time. I will say this about myself. I have be a good customer to Unique. I have bought plenty of expensive parts since I have had my car and only called them a few times when I could not get the answer I needed on the forum.
In my "tirade" post. I did mention I had another experience with Unique similar to this. I had to pull teeth and put a lot of effort into getting Unique to do the right thing. This was 4 years ago, I thought it was only a couple of years ago. Time flies when you are having fun.
The letter I sent Maurice was dated 2008. Brian mentioned I share this and even implied something some to the effect about me jerry rigging back then. This is 100% false. That was exactly what I did not want to do!
Brian, I again ask you/ advise you/ warn you...I would check with Maurice and Allen before you dare me/invite me/urge me to share it in this with the forum! Even though, if I did share it, I definitely would be helping other members with older Unique Cobras if ordering brand new complete rear coil-over shocks from Unique! I don't know what version of my experience you heard, but you either heard it wrong or you heard a big lie if you came away with what you have implied. You said " im sorry if you feel offended that i inquired through my sources, but it was put out there by you. if you want it out there." You never said you inquired anything at all, what you did do was imply that Unique was talking to you and others behind my back. Please go check it out in your previous posting
I still think it is to totally wild that it is wrong to expect proper workmanship and fit for expensive parts we order from any company, in this case, for their own product! Also, for the record, for the tenth time, I was more than willing and accepted the small tweak (slightly having to elongate the bracket holes) Unique did tell me might happen. This problem sure is not that!
If you look back and reread this whole thread, you will see I was being nice, had a positive attitude, very patient, and then boom! So what do you want or expect from me the customer. I am not going be anybody's doormat, especially when I am paying them good money.
Well, I guess I posted more than I thought and will now be very tired tomorrow at work. After writing this, I really do not want to go back and forth with Brian anymore, it has become a giant waste of my time. It is just to much work to try and follow him. Then again, maybe it is me since I am a moron and dont have a clue...lol. Seriously, I will try to be constructive as possible considering the circumstances. Beside, he said he was not goimg to post to this thread anymore, so I guess then, this won't be much of an effort on my part .
I will end up having to fix these things or just sell them as is and put the old ones back on. What a disappointment, anybody local interested in these pipes? I am thinking I will eventually just end up paying the money and fix them because I have wanted these for a long time and would love to hear and feel them on the car. Better than just sitting useless on a shelf, that's for sure.
Thanks...Dave

[brfutbrian]

dave , the reason that post didnt appear here, is because i edited it out and rewrote it, shortly after i posted it, after rereading your previous post. im glad you now understand what i was offended by. if you had asked nicely as to what i thought you should apologize for in my first post instead of jumping me, everything afterward most likely wouldnt have been said. as ive stated i have no problem with your post other than the part you just apologized for. if thats flaming you i can live with that. i totally agree with your comment on this thread being closed. i wish you the best, whichever way you end up going forward from here. if i can be of any help, dont hesitate. brian.

[davids2toys]

dave , the reason that post didnt appear here, is because i edited it out and rewrote it, shortly after i posted it, after rereading your previous post. im glad you now understand what i was offended by. if you had asked nicely as to what i thought you should apologize for in my first post instead of jumping me, everything afterward most likely wouldnt have been said. as ive stated i have no problem with your post other than the part you just apologized for. if thats flaming you i can live with that. i totally agree with your comment on this thread being closed. i wish you the best, whichever way you end up going forward from here. if i can be of any help, dont hesitate. brian.

OK, that makes sense.
I thought you wanted me to apologize to the Weavers and I felt and still feel I have absolutely nothing to apologize for. If anybody should be apologizing, it should be them!
Maybe this thread may take a positive direction now, which is hopefully always the goal with forums right?
It will be a while before I am even able to get to this, fall is here and I will be scrambling getting ready for yet another New England winter. When I get back to the Cobra I have a bunch of projects 1/2 done at the moment. Including all new gaskets on the front of the motor and new Canton RR oil pan and windage tray. I had a lot of issues with the fit of the tray and the oil temp bung location in the pan, All issues were fixed by Canton, they did stand behind their product and did the right thing for free. So now I should be finally be getting accurate oil temp readings after all these years and have proper clearance at the pickup to pan location with the tray reworked per my suggestions to Canton.
Thanks ...Dave

[brfutbrian]

scott, ive never once said anything about daves beef with his sidepipe other than to offer a hint to my solution. i take exception to his statement regarding "weaver lovers" and " needing to stay on the good side of the weavers". nothing more, nothing less. its was inflamatory to those who were not involved .his beef with me is me saying" get a grip." that was in regards to what he said in his post about people that werent involved. i wasnt the one throwing out insults first. if he could figure that out and apologize for i would be more than happy to stop. yes an oxycetaline torch setup would be critical and a large crescent wrench would do the trick real easy with some good heat. oblong the collecter holes on either the pipe or the header in the right places .005 would pick up the driver side that looks like its sagging down.if that didnt get the tabs to the frame a real shallow z bend would take care of whats left cant tell if the passenger side is sagging but it looks like not. that one hole in the collector on the passenger pipe should work with a little oblonging on the sidepipe and header collector reassemble with flat and lockwasher. cut the mislocated tab off clean offwhats left of the weld on the pipe and mig it back where if needs to go, and i thinks its good to go. i said it look like an easy deal in my first post. thanks for your post. the balls in daves court. thanks again. later brian.