Shelby cars in Ault Park

[juanone]

Here are some photos of Shelby cars on display at the Concours d'Elegance in Ault Park, Cincinnati this past weekend. This first photos are of an FIA, CSX2557.

Just thought you might like seeing them for future reference if you are into FIA's.

Enjoy the photos.

Juan

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[ralphscott]

The firewall was as unclutterd as I have seen on a AC/Shelby Cobra. My guess is the 5th photo is an inside shot of the bonnet/hood scoop. Nice photos thanks for posting them Juan.

Ralph

[Naumoff]

Very Cool Juan[8D]

I like the two into two side pipes. Like the Daytona Coupes.
Very clean car.
Simple and straight to the point....RACING
Check out the throttle linkage for the Webers.

Tony

Unique 427 #4279480 427s/o Nascar toploader 3.31 Jag IRS

[Jerry Cowing]

Juan,

Are you sure that's an FIA? The fuel filler and engine looks correct, but the trunk lid doesn't look correct for an FIA which had the bulge in the lid for luggage (which was mandatory for FIA racing) and in the trunk it says "To # 3049." I thought all the 3000 series were 427s. Also interesting that there was no rearview mirror except the one on the left door. Also there are no radiator fans inside or outside. Also there are no brake vent holes in the front. The FIAs had the holes and the 289s did not have holes. This appears to be a 289 and not an FIA. Number 3049 doesn't match for a 289 either which were 2000 series??? Maybe Carroll was going senile when he signed it.

Jer

[juanone]

As far as the fans go, I was told that the race cars did not have fans, inside or outside. There were a lot of other Shelby's there and what was constant on all of them was variation from one to the next. No two were alike. This one was the only FIA. This one did not have the trunk dimples because it ran in the US, that is what someone there told me. Tomorrow I will add some more photos of the car including close up on engine and of interior.

Enjoy the photos, this was perhaps the first time and only time that I will ever see so many original Shelby's in one spot at the same time.

Juan Lopez-Bonilla
Kentucky Cobra Club
2432 Crittenden Drive
Suite 201
Louisville, KY 40217
502-635-5711
juanlb@lbrllc.net

http://www.kentuckycobraclub.com

[ralphscott]

Hi Jerry, It was great spending some time with you and Margareitta (sorry for the poor spelling).Gayle says Hi! The 3000 series signifies a coil spring chassis the 2000 series were transverse leaf springs, The first coil spring chassis was a 427 CSX3001.
I also noted the lack of the suitcase dimple but the two bungee holes are there on the rear valance. Interesting variation. It is in really good shape compared to some I saw at SAAC in Nashville.
Hope all is well,

Ralph

[Naumoff]

That car has a transverse leaf suspension.
As far as I can tell all the car raced were modified after leaving the factory. Crashes and other things brought changes to the cars.
Alot of restorers take the cars back to the factory specs not the
condition they were in when they were raced. Maybe this was an un-restored racer.
Just my two cents

Tony

Unique 427 #4279480 427s/o Nascar toploader 3.31 Jag IRS

[juanone]

Upon researching the car serial number the car number is CSX2557. Carroll Shelby was high on something for sure when he signed the trunk as CSX3049.

Juan Lopez-Bonilla
Kentucky Cobra Club
2432 Crittenden Drive
Suite 201
Louisville, KY 40217
502-635-5711
juanlb@lbrllc.net

http://www.kentuckycobraclub.com

[clayfoushee]

CSX 2000's were 289's. CSX 3000s were 427s (or 428's). Not all 289 cars were FIAs (most weren't), thus the lack of suitcase dimple.

Clay

'98 Unique #9299, 427FE side oiler (452.1-stroker), top-loader (close), 3.31 rear

Annapolis, MD

[juanone]

Here is yet another interesting car from this last weekend. 427 Comp Cobra Prototype, CSX3002. It has, as you can see, details of both an FIA and 427.

Enjoy.

Juan
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Juan Lopez-Bonilla
Kentucky Cobra Club
2432 Crittenden Drive
Suite 201
Louisville, KY 40217
502-635-5711
juanlb@lbrllc.net

http://www.kentuckycobraclub.com

[will butterworth]

Juan--thanks, pretty cars, good discussion.Will-alabama

[nolastyankee]

As many of you have pointed out, the CSX number here does not match the FIA cars that raced in Europe so this is most likely a rebody. All of the true FIA cars had the dimpled trunk lids, had horizontal dash arrangements, and wore the FIA stripe on the nose of the car. This is actually one of the USSRC cars (United States Road Racing Club) that dominated road racing in US in '64-'65. The numbering, dash, trunk, and preparation are all slightly different than the FIA cars.

Here is some information on the most famous USRRC car that Ken Miles drove...
http://www.shelbyamericancollection.org/collection/csx2431.html

Like Tony mentions above, many original cars were re-bodied due to crashes, etc. In fact, I have had the opportunity to closely inspect CSX 2350, a 289 street car that was modified with an original Euro spec rear clip and front flares. The body looks just like this car, but it is an original street 289.

Regardless of the facts or history, this car is simply beautiful. Thanks to Juan for sharing some great pictures.

Brian Carlson

Unique 9122 - 289 FIA Cobra - The Legendary "Spence" Car

[juanone]

Okay, if you think you have seen it all before, feast your eyes on this beauty. It is the only Daytona Super Coupe in existence. Designed by Peter Brock. I will never get another chance like this in my life to be able to say I saw this in the flesh.

Enjoy,

Juan

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[juanone]

Here is an early morning shot of a row of Slab Sides and a 427SC. It rained early but the rest of the day proved to be a nice day for a Concours d'Elegance. I like this photo because of the Slab Side closest to the camera. This is the look I am trying to achieve with my Unique 289.

Juan
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Juan Lopez-Bonilla
Kentucky Cobra Club
2432 Crittenden Drive
Suite 201
Louisville, KY 40217
502-635-5711
juanlb@lbrllc.net

http://www.kentuckycobraclub.com

[will butterworth]

Juan--daytona is something, and yep-thanks for thinking of us. A true gentleman.I shall look at these pictures a lot.Will-alabama

[JeepSnake]

Great photos, Juan!

Speaking of your car and the street 289 look - I pulled up your rendering, and am now wondering: are you going to go with the Halibrand-look wheels, or wire wheels? I'm just curious as to whether you've done any research into available wire wheels.

I know the original wires were spline drive units; does anyone make a pin-drive, or a lug-bolt type that looks correct (and not like a cheap bolt-on!) for an AC/Shelby? Also, the few I've seen on the web look like they require tube-type tires...

As I said, just idle curiosity!

Hope everyone is having a great day, particularly those that are finally getting to see the SUN after nearly 2 weeks of rain! [8D]

Zach Butterworth
Apple Mt. Cobra Pit Crew
(Mom & Dad's 427)

[juanone]

Hi Zach:

Dayton Wire Wheel is the company producing the wire wheels I am interested in. I will probably purchase a set from them eventually.

If you are interested their number is: 888-559-2880

Juan

Juan Lopez-Bonilla
Kentucky Cobra Club
2432 Crittenden Drive
Suite 201
Louisville, KY 40217
502-635-5711
juanlb@lbrllc.net

http://www.kentuckycobraclub.com

[ralphscott]

Tony you are right the car does have a transverse leaf spring guess I was taken in in the trunk #

Guess I am a sucker for #s

The Daytona Super Coupe is awesome!

Ralph

[Naumoff]

Does anyone Know if someone has done a 427 with wire wheels?

I would consider them as I was thinking of a spare set of wheels and tires in the future. A set of Goodyear Billboards for the Trigos and street tires for the wire wheels.
Would be able to change the entire look of the Cobra in 10 minutes.:D
Tony



Unique 427 #4279480 427s/o Nascar toploader 3.31 Jag IRS

[clayfoushee]

Tony..........I hope you're kidding[xx(].

Torque thrusts maybe..........

Clay

'98 Unique #9299, 427FE side oiler (452.1-stroker), top-loader (close), 3.31 rear

Annapolis, MD

[Justin Upchurch]

And we were all admiring how well your build was going up until the wire wheels were mentioned.....................
I have seen the Daytons on 63-67 vettes and they didn't look bad, and I think they look quite proper on the 289 street model. However, I'm just not sure that the wire wheels would look good on a 427 with sidepipes.

Justin

[RJacobsen]

There were only 5 original FIA cars built. check this link for more info http://www.csxinfo.net/289cobra/fia.htm CSX 2557 shows up as a factory comp car that was owned by Shelby and raced by C. Hayes in the Bridgehampton 500km in sept of 64. it did not finish the race. it probably has more racing history but I did'nt take time to look any further.

[Naumoff]

Must be the British blood in me.
I like Wire wheels.[}:)]
Maybe in GOLD;)
Tony:D

Unique 427 #4279480 427s/o Nascar toploader 3.31 Jag IRS

[ralphscott]

Rod, nice fine.

Ralph

[eliminator]

Wire wheels will not handle the torque of a BB car. That's why they were not used on the 427 cars.


Rick
#4279405

[clayfoushee]

I would actually worry about wire wheels on a stout small block too. They look good on those wimpy British "wheezers" with about 87.2 ft.lbs of torque at 4000 rpm.:D

Clay

'98 Unique #9299, 427FE side oiler (452.1-stroker), top-loader (close), 3.31 rear

Annapolis, MD

[Naumoff]

I'll give you a quote from my Uncle Claude,
" You Bloody Americans ruined Le Mans with your Bloody 7 liter engines!"[}:)]

Yes we did!:D
Tony

Unique 427 #4279480 427s/o Nascar toploader 3.31 Jag IRS

[Mike Geddes]

Tony...go for it...get the wire wheels.
There are a bunch of 289's in the UK, most of them pushing
out a respectable 400HP that all run on wire's.
When I was an apprentice in the UK I used to pass a green
289 every day on my way to work....looked real sharp.
Also every day at 12.35 ( lunch time ) when I was sitting
on the Thames Embankment eating my lunch a white 427 (no side pipes)
used to rumble along...typical English driver...tweed jacket..
tweed hat....that 427 had Chrome wire wheels...looked great.
Tourqe...Smourqe.....Get the wire wheels.
Get the Copper car while you're at it.
Mike

Mike Geddes

[Jerry Cowing]

Juan,
Great pictures. Thanks for sharing. I think we all learned some new things about these cars; FIA, USSRC, 2000s, 3000s, 289s, 427s, etc. The rear wheelwell on the 427 sure looks a lot wider and deeper than our 427s.

John,
Hope you and Gayle are doing well and enjoying life also. I was in Calif a couple weeks ago and saw a 427 S/C at the Petterson Auto Museum in LA with Margarita. She said to say hi also. I haven't had the Cobra out but once since the homecoming. It's been raining most of the time here on the Panhandle of Florida, Tropical Storm Arlene and all. I'll be going to London Ohio next week. It was a hard decision whether to go to London or Cleveland for this year's DVSF. Cleveland added another 2.5 hours to my 12 hour trip, plus my daughter's family lives just 20 minutes from London, so London won for me.

Jer

[ralphscott]

Jer we are indeed enjoying life. It sounds like you are in for some fun in London. TN weather has been great. We have been out a few times as pre-summer house and yard work takes priority as it is just too hot in July -- August to do big outdoor projects oh yes of course there is work.

Ralph